What to look for when buying a kamisori

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I want to jump into the murky world of 'unsafety' razors. For whatever reason, I find myself highly attracted to kamisori. I want to buy one but I don't know what to look for.

Questions

Ebay or specialist vendor?
New or vintage?
Cheap or expensive?
Are there particular brands that are especially good or bad?
 
Sounds great Steve, cheers. I'll still want to get my own though in a right-handed config. By the way, how are you edges going with these suckers?

So where do you guys recommend I grab one from? Is The Bay the best bet?
 
I thought I had left handed ones however obviously I don't know my right from left as both of mine are right handed.
 
I think you should ask @Draco Noir - he has some beauties and surely can guide you.
 
I thought I had left handed ones however obviously I don't know my right from left as both of mine are right handed.
Crikey, you've the rare Irish left handed models !
 
I see a lot of kamis with a 'crease' that looks somewhat like a crack running parallel to the spine.



Is this a problem?
 
Sorry to be late to the party here - I was waiting to see if @Mark had some wisdom to share. Based on my limited knowledge, here are a few pointers :

1. As far as vintage Kamis go, there are two brands that stand at the top of the podium - Iwasaki and Henkotsu. Iwasaki still make razors, but expect to pay around U$350 for a new one, and sky's the limit for a top quality NOS oldie (I've seen U$10k+) There are lots of Henkotsus on Ebay, and you should be able to get a very good one for a fair price.

2. Having said that, there aren't many crappy Kamisoris. For real quality, look for good steel - Swedish steel or (more expensive) Tamahagane (samurai sword or jewel steel)

3. If buying secondhand, look carefully at the photos of the Omote side of the Kami for hone wear. The omote is the bevelled side, not the full hollow ground side with the maker's stamps. You'll see where the Kami has been honed as two shiny lines, one at the cutting edge and the other at the top of the bevel. You don't want to see big wide lines - they're a sign that the Kami has been honed a lot and lost a fair bit of metal in the process. Ideally, these lines won't be much more than 1mm wide.

4. The photo you posted above is likely a Henkotsu Kamisori, and the construction method dates back a long long way. The rectangular piece that includes the cutting edge used to be made from Tamahagane steel - expensive and in short supply. So the blacksmiths used as little of it as necessary, and forged it onto a soft iron handle and frame. The same technique is still used by some makers, even though few of them use Tamahagane steel these days. This construction is a sign of skilled blacksmithing, and some of the vintage Iwasaki Kamisoris show extraordinary virtuosity at it - an evenly wavy line where the two pieces of metal join together, along with a different degree of surface polish for each part.

5. As with most things in life, you get what you pay for. While it's possible to find a good instrument secondhand for a bargain price, don't expect it. My personal suggestion would be to budget in the $100-200 range for a first shot. If you buy a real cheapie, you run a reasonably high risk of having a poor first experience for your first Kamisori encounter. Obviously this isn't likely to encourage you to keep going with it

6. No matter what you end up getting, I strongly recommend you send it to @Mark to be properly bevel set and sharpened before using it to fillet your face. It takes experience to set one up from scratch, so leave that to a pro. That way you can maintain your own shaver with confidence.

If you find something you think you might go for, I'm happy to have a look at it if you PM me the details.

Calling @Mark - can you add anything to this or correct anything I've said that may need correcting?
 
@Draco Noir - that's exactly the info I was looking for. Thanks so much for writing out such a quality wall of text!

And yes, when I find one I'll be sure to PM you first so you can take a squiz at it.
 
Sorry to be late to the party here - I was waiting to see if @Mark had some wisdom to share. Based on my limited knowledge, here are a few pointers :

1. As far as vintage Kamis go, there are two brands that stand at the top of the podium - Iwasaki and Henkotsu. Iwasaki still make razors, but expect to pay around U$350 for a new one, and sky's the limit for a top quality NOS oldie (I've seen U$10k+) There are lots of Henkotsus on Ebay, and you should be able to get a very good one for a fair price.

2. Having said that, there aren't many crappy Kamisoris. For real quality, look for good steel - Swedish steel or (more expensive) Tamahagane (samurai sword or jewel steel)

3. If buying secondhand, look carefully at the photos of the Omote side of the Kami for hone wear. The omote is the bevelled side, not the full hollow ground side with the maker's stamps. You'll see where the Kami has been honed as two shiny lines, one at the cutting edge and the other at the top of the bevel. You don't want to see big wide lines - they're a sign that the Kami has been honed a lot and lost a fair bit of metal in the process. Ideally, these lines won't be much more than 1mm wide.

4. The photo you posted above is likely a Henkotsu Kamisori, and the construction method dates back a long long way. The rectangular piece that includes the cutting edge used to be made from Tamahagane steel - expensive and in short supply. So the blacksmiths used as little of it as necessary, and forged it onto a soft iron handle and frame. The same technique is still used by some makers, even though few of them use Tamahagane steel these days. This construction is a sign of skilled blacksmithing, and some of the vintage Iwasaki Kamisoris show extraordinary virtuosity at it - an evenly wavy line where the two pieces of metal join together, along with a different degree of surface polish for each part.

5. As with most things in life, you get what you pay for. While it's possible to find a good instrument secondhand for a bargain price, don't expect it. My personal suggestion would be to budget in the $100-200 range for a first shot. If you buy a real cheapie, you run a reasonably high risk of having a poor first experience for your first Kamisori encounter. Obviously this isn't likely to encourage you to keep going with it

6. No matter what you end up getting, I strongly recommend you send it to @Mark to be properly bevel set and sharpened before using it to fillet your face. It takes experience to set one up from scratch, so leave that to a pro. That way you can maintain your own shaver with confidence.

If you find something you think you might go for, I'm happy to have a look at it if you PM me the details.

Calling @Mark - can you add anything to this or correct anything I've said that may need correcting?
Pretty spot on there Draco. Not much to add, there are plenty of beaten up kamisoris though so a trained eye is a plus, feel free to get Draco or myself to take a look at them, if the photos don't show the omote side then scroll past it. Otherwise I'm more than happy to give it some stone love ;)
If you're unsure what to look for, get stuck searching for some or on a budget let me know and I'll bring in a few decent ones to the buy/sell threads at very little cost that I will hone myself.
 
Pretty spot on there Draco. Not much to add, there are plenty of beaten up kamisoris though so a trained eye is a plus, feel free to get Draco or myself to take a look at them, if the photos don't show the omote side then scroll past it. Otherwise I'm more than happy to give it some stone love ;)
If you're unsure what to look for, get stuck searching for some or on a budget let me know and I'll bring in a few decent ones to the buy/sell threads at very little cost that I will hone myself.
Incredible stuff mate, cheers!
 
Pretty spot on there Draco. Not much to add, there are plenty of beaten up kamisoris though so a trained eye is a plus, feel free to get Draco or myself to take a look at them, if the photos don't show the omote side then scroll past it. Otherwise I'm more than happy to give it some stone love ;)
If you're unsure what to look for, get stuck searching for some or on a budget let me know and I'll bring in a few decent ones to the buy/sell threads at very little cost that I will hone myself.
Don't really want to spend more but I have to own a Kamisori just to shave with one (and yeah, own it). If you find something that's a bargain, please count me in @Mark
 
I have a few Kamisoris coming in, might be a couple of weeks on the slow boat for those of you who are interested, will be priced very well on the Buy/Sell thread. Will make sure the edges are perfect before they go out. Further updates soon.
Yeah I should get better familiar with my straight shaves before graduating to a kamisori...
...which is the long way of saying "count me in".
 
I have a few Kamisoris coming in, might be a couple of weeks on the slow boat for those of you who are interested, will be priced very well on the Buy/Sell thread. Will make sure the edges are perfect before they go out. Further updates soon.
Couple of weeks will give me time to decide against purchasing one (but I won't: see my signature block) so pick a good looking one and keep me informed.
 
The Kamisori razors are due to arrive in less than a week. This will give you time to do some research on them and maybe watch a few videos. There are 5 in total but can't determine that they will all be perfect in geometry until I receive them just like any other vintage razor. The brand/maker that I selected and was fortunate to come across is INOUE FUJISUKE which is one of many brands that are well known for their quality of hand forging kamisoris and are no longer in production. Keep an eye out on the Buy/Sell thread ;)
 
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